I cant stand Glocks but SIG P320s are junk. 1.A rush to market, and as usual the blind greed of the gun companies who no longer test pistols before marketing them think it is cheaper (so the idiots think) to let the public test them. All polymer guns are cheap, cheap, cheap to make, thats why I threw the Taurus name into the mix. There was no holster involved. Really? But this time, the sound bites used were different. JTF-2 is the only unit in. The pictures on the internet were enough to scare the shit out of you especially his wound in the thigh. She claims that her holstered P320 pistol went off while she was carrying it in her purse. Give me a break. Anyway my question for $600 would be: Did you have your 3rd wife killed? (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.). The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. It sure wasnt her fault though, because she was flooring the. Then theres the fact that the branches of the military have put the P320 design through their own batteries of testing and found it duty worthy. Its hard to say yet but with anything follow the basic safety rules. Glock's and Sig P320 are all designated as Double-Action-Only fire control mechanisms. Thats why NY demanded the NY Trigger be installed on Glocks before theyd buy them. 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. The weapon was out of battery when it fired.. My gun just went off! in Capitalvania. If it were a lowered tier manufacturer like a Taurus having allegations made against them, people would run with it without thinking twice. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. If its not legal momentum, it would have to be some other mechanism of failure.. Quit blaming cops or the military, these guns have a serious problem. Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. The guys at the LGS saw only one broken striker but it confirmed what the manager who had the P320 go off and my thoughts. He probably had a double until it was over. Rather, it's because those LEO P320 pistols are seeing much more physical action than ones carried by civilians. The second accidental shooting happened after police supervisors internally raised questions about the safety of the SIG Sauer P320. Thats just myopic brand lust on parade. Dude, your story is THREE years old. Get a dead trigger when the striker breaks. I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. Fine. Detective sues Sig Sauer after she says her holstered P320 handgun He would have been booted after the first time, but being a cop comes with some special privileges. And it doesnt take too much Googling to find plenty of reports of LEOs suing the Georgia company as well (see here, here, here, and here for just a few). How many times did Shatner actually watch it? https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan Its interesting that ABC chose to leave that point out of one of their reports. If the P320 was so great then why did special forces go to the Glock 19? It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. My trust for Sig stopped after they produced the beloved Sig556xi Russian. They passed every state and national drop test requirement out there. Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. It was expensive. (unless theyre SWAT or something). The settlement requires the gunmaker to reimburse owners of . Glock is being sued too, because once loaded and a round is chambered, it also has a much lighter trigger than a DA/SA. They are plaintiffs versions of what they say happened. Oct 20, 2022 #36 ; vh20 said: . Mine is very accurate. And they would not have done that for no reason at all. Fourth, no one takes Taurus seriously. Police officers do NOT get a lot of training unless theyre doing it on their own time at their own expense. The problem was strikers. Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. Unlawful Discharge of a Firearm: Texas Laws - The Law Office of Greg There are a few examples, I admitS&Ws M&P from around 2014 were near junk and I wouldnt have bothered to own one as a trotline weight, but apparently S&W had righted that ship since then. It may be a rotten trigger, but it does highlight the fact it has a much lighter trigger compared to classic semi-autos and revolvers. On February 19, 2021, Military.com reported: A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 a pistol that the Army's new sidearm is based on accidentally discharged, firing a 9mm bullet into his right leg. The problems associate with those pistols (and the P365) have long since been ironed out. You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. That focus drifts. LOL! Id read that for TMP, they got NASA to help in the design of the refit Enterprise. It was one of the first ones and was sent back as a voluntary upgrade. First off, no joke on me. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. to docile, too subtle, to contextual. Note the addition of ominous background music in the second seven-minutes-longer version (there was no music in the Good Morning America version). I love when people call law enforcement officers highly trained. Most dont get more training than what they had in the academy unless they are getting paid time to train, or are going for something speciality such as S.W.A.T. My elderly aunt drove her Volvo into a parked car, and the yard behind it, and the house behind that, while she was pressing the brake as hard as she could. Strangely the car kept accelerating, almost as if she were flooring the gas pedal. NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. As for Seals they have their own contract with Glock but can carry anything they want. Grow up, you aint all that! . Really, that JJA ship looks like something the folks at PlaySkool built, its terrible. While this incident occurred months ago, this erroneous media report is driven by multiple sources, including our competitors, and coincides with the imminent release of other Canadian military and law enforcement tenders, indicating the timing of its release is an attempt to improperly influence the procurements, the statement said. Theres just too much other paraphernalia bouncing around in there. According to Section 22.05 of the Texas Penal Code, engaging in deadly conduct with a firearm is considered a felony of the third degree. The list is long proving gun manufactures were well aware of this problem now for 121 years yet they abandoned this when the Glock infested the gun market. Remember also that with a handful of notable exceptions, modern firearms do not just go off, no matter what is later claimed by those who may be held responsible. Use a proper holster and follow other gun safety protocols. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong holster: SIG Sauer With the 320, the striker is in full-cock position, and held there through the operation of the trigger sear and the positive striker-blocking safety. I dont own a Glock or a SIG and am not a fanboy of either. I bought a P320 and went through the voluntary upgrade. I was tempted to buy one at one time but no more. Sig P320 Accidental Discharge Problem | SIG Talk The lawsuit, filed Wednesday on behalf of . Theyve now come to the attention of the legacy media. Everyone remembers the problems the Beretta M9 had, but it got sorted and they went on to serve over 30 years. The Moron engineer who decided to put that on the Glock should have been hung by his dirty balls. Period. Their visceral hatred for that which they see as competition to their little golden calf god and their blind, myopic, childish self-identification with an external dynamic is hilarious! One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. To make the striker leg pull off of the sear, you would have to impart a lot of rearward momentum and stop it suddenly. The second version emphasized the upgrade to fix the drop safety issue and notes that Harrison believes that problem has been fixed. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. You should always use a real holster, or carry it condition 3 or 4 if its off-body. ALL OF THEM. A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. You would have to conclude theres a problem with the product, not with the people., In the Nightline version, Bagnell says, Firearms are not subject to federal regulation. As to prong 2, there is a considerable difference between the mechanism of a 320 and, say, ones basic Glock, in that a 320 is fully cocked, whereas a Glock is half-cocked until the trigger is fully depressed, with the striker remaining locked by the striker safety plunger until that is released by a cam on the trigger bar. Keep the phrase legal momentum in mind. I can say we are aware of the statement released by SIG SAUER, said Maj. Amber Bineau. Thats the same. If the military was going to go cheap then they should have thrown Taurus into the mix. This gun had been voluntary upgraded. I sold that pistol when I got it back. That could happen easily. The HK VP70 was made in 1970 when Gaston Glock was making curtain rods. Milwaukee Police Report Issues With Sig P320's Discharging The Glock fails on both counts. TidalWave Professional Aug 25, 2021 #17 Bassbob said: Somehow I seriously doubt the guns just shot themselves. Bagnells and other lawsuits ABC claims at least 54 discharges and 10 suits against SIG describe instances of P320s going off dating back to 2016, prior to the upgrade. After the accident the unit returned to using the SIG P226 they had planned to replace with the P320. If you can make the trigger move backwards, all bets are off. 1:07. As far as ships go, Im drawn to the original movie vessels because they look the most, to me, like something youd really see humans build in space in 300 years. And many departments across the country have had to lower their standards for passing qualifications just to be able to hire on and keep officers. Not just police in US had issues with sig p320. Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. You arent a gunfighter, either. They simply have never been seen in the upper echelon of handgun makers, their entire business model is to offer cheaper guns at cheaper prices. Wounded by his own Holstered Sig Sauer P320, Veteran Tampa Police They admitted their problem and fixed it. Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. who sells them? I know off body carry is a recipe for disaster. The thing is, youd probably need to generate many Gs of force in both directions simultaneously. They are being replaced with Glocks. Pity that some of the most common reactions fall into two over simplistic categories: 1. I went to an outdoor public range with a local SWAT entry team leader. The SIG will be the shortest military contract for guns in history. Attorney Bagnell held up the law enforcement officers he represents as examples of people who are highly trained in carrying and using firearms. Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? They wouldnt have adopted it if was. Asking for a friend. Theres also an un-named Texas gun shop manager who says a P320 fired as he cleared the weapon, blowing off one of his fingers. Sig Sauer P320 [Review+Video]: Worth It? - Pew Pew Tactical Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. But Shatner? Good thing you werent serious, thatd be terr..uh.oops. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. TTAG talked to SIG Sauer about the P320 suits and the ABC reports. The Milwaukee police department has had 3 incidents of the Sig discharging while being in a holster sitting in a patrol car in 2023. About $300. Yes, a lot of police officers only shoot when they have to for qual. Too much MIM in that crap SIG, the old ones were great. These lawsuits ARE about SIG making defective weapons. A fine of up to $10,000. Depending on who you talk to you will get many different answers. Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. Sigs suck and my Glock is awesome!. People who know how to handle guns prudently and safely. Sig makes a damn fine weapon and theres nothing wrong with it. The suit also cites other occurrences of "un-commanded" discharges with the 320 while holstered. It offers the quality and reliability of Sig Sauer, with a tried and true striker system and ingenious features that make it a novel gun. I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. Still waiting. They cant even make claim to doing a twice a year qual. Each incident gives them more blood for their macabre dance, and another tic-mark for their context-free gun violence tally. Then without any extra effort, the normal trigger pull caused the tab on the drop safety to sheer off. In 2020, the agent, who is a former marine, was doing his routine training with the P320. Withe the P320 Sigs contract was $169.5 million, $103 million cheaper then Glock. And then theres Gunter Walker, a civilian, who says his P320 fired on its ownwhen he placed the weapon down on his nightstand, shooting him through the palm of his left hand.. Not too long after they sold a pistol to the public and United States military thats not even DROP SAFE?!? A lot like carrying a cocked and locked 1911 but with the safety off. Such being the case, there very well may BE in inherent design flaw in the gun; We shouldnt just cast the thought aside as being beyond consideration and insist on blaming the problem on operator error.. Does the P365 have a similar reputation for spontaneous - SIG Talk The investigation revealed the use of an incorrect holster not designed for a [SIG] P320, said the statement, which was released Friday and posted to a U.S. online pro-industry publication, Soldier Systems. And have the dropping 320 go off? So does any of this mean theres something wrong with the P320? I think in the end even if there is no mechanical defect (dont hold your breath) it will be found that the Sig is causing accidental discharges for the same reason the Glock does, because if you snag the trigger on the Sig model that does not have a manual safety (some do) the gun will accidentally fire. I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. But it also has much worse quality control on the parts in my experience owning and working on both. D. His haste to avoid the embarrassment of his gun being seen on the floor turned the incident from a wardrobe malfunction (accidental exposure of a concealed weapon, probably just a reprimand from the OPR) into a negligent discharge (the gun being fired led to him personally getting fired!). Quite frankly, a sizable number of the LEOs that go there, would benefit from a Gun Safety 101 class. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. So it never had a history of a potential valid claim for ambulance chasers to work off of.
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