Have you looked closely at what Chris has labelled the insignia. Hi Chris, and thank you for your nice comments! Over four days, 77 separate attempts had been made to call the cops - using the emergency numbers in both the Netherlands and in Panama. More info here. My question is: Who has the ability to manipulate both the cameras internal storage database and the photos? IF there was a dog with them why then did they not photograph it? Who said there werent any scratches on the bones? I would expect especially on the first day for total panic to occur and multiple attempts to be made until a decision was made to save battery strength. Also theres a distinct small x made of branches or plastic in the top-mid right corner of the pic amongst the foliage that looks a part of the make shift roof/net. Two intelligent girls could not be veering off course to this dense vegetation on their own accord. Seems weird. News Group Newspapers Limited in England No. Is the time that photo was taken known? I believe that this case WILL be solved. Theres a lot more information needed to make conclusions. I wonder? There's no telling how many ships or planes have "disappeared" in the Bermuda Triangle, but the U.S. Navy estimates that around 50 ships and 20 aircraft have gone missing there. Because of thedark, the pairmight have usedthe camera flash as a light sourceor to scare away animals. (From our perspective to the right of her directly in front of her feet about waist high). I think that she has her hand to her ear,she looks like she is trying to hear what someone is saying,and also,the light is in her eyes;.It looks like she has twisted herself around in doing so. I dont think so. Well-worn paths do not lead into a pit. Este rosto de uma jovem que est angustiada,aterrorizada sem saber o que fazer para se salvar. Water bottle photo: Only a fool thinks they were attacked by people. Dutch investigators attempted to recover the file but didnt manage to retrieve any data, which suggests that the camera was plugged into a computer and the file was deleted rather than deleted from the camera. Also mobile signals are better at night yet no calls were attempted. For goodness sake, why do people make things up? Some of them are human, including several skulls and a young girls intact corpse, in the bottom right, with a large hole in the head. In the end, maybe this photo has more information that was originally thought. Yup, I toot checked and her video came only after this post. Of course, nobody knows exactly why things happened. She is not tied up, there is no rope around her waist and there are no hidden or blurry people in the photo. 100 calls to 911, and NOT ONE attempted call to immediate family? Is it possible that there is a building or some sort of structure behind the vegetation? Possibly that info can help. as soon as u see 1 photoshopped pic u know something is wrong,, the bag turned up to keep the police from searching the jungle. The dog wasnt in any photos, nor were the girls photographed after their disappearance. I just would like to know if you see that as well? Possibly ambushed and didnt have time? The backpack being found with all its contents including money and not even dirty let alone wet after weeks of constant rain-found a day after the area was checked. Even though both kept contact with their families daily through messaging and calls? The same thing happened to the taxidriver who drove Kris and Lisanne to the forest. Photo 509 was removed first. The main areas of tourism in the country focus on business tourism, beaches, health and trade. Also the path looks to be a dried up river vs a man made path. It took us quite some time to get there.". I have no doubt that the camera was tampered with. The dog found his way home. Regarding accidents (My father a doctor always said accidents do not exist. It does look like a manmade structure. Why is no one talking about what appears to be a rock painting or a carving 3-4 feet in front of her? Many people in El Salvador permit their dogs to roam freely outside in the streets and forests. And theyre gaining steam in recent years. After exhaustive thought, my theory: First, respect to family, friends, and the good. Thanks for the observation. Thanks for the analysis though, I keep looking for new stuff, this case really gets to meI can see why people think this was a criminal act -I see that with some aspects of the case, however, I do think that it was the result of injury and or getting lost -I cant see a criminal 1) letting them keep their phones and camera and 2) letting the camera and phones being discovered. Very interesting.. Wearing minimal clothing, no knife of compass which were left in their room. I know that in previous photos there are trenches like this one naturally occurring throughout the jungle due to erosion, but this one doesnt appear to be from that. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22, went for a walk through the scenic forests around the Baru volcano in Boquete - and never returned. Here is what bothers me about this event. The Velleman family had been in touch with several Wisconsin and Illinois representatives as they sought assistance from the U.S. government in the search and recovery effort. The timeline could have been enhanced with this info. Why are both her hands behind her back? The local jungle tribes people have been looking for the girls. Could it be the same man in both photos. To this day, the disappearance and tragic deaths of Kris and Lisanne remains a harrowing mystery. They got lost and they died of starvation and a hard ration, except for Chriss. The insignia looks more like a darkish skinned face peering through a narrow window and observing the girls from behind some sort of screen. Perhaps this was a cave hang-out spot used by local teenagers. Kris is sticking her tongue out in this photo. Obviously she did the first several times, but as the battery got lower, she likely got more conscious of the idea of conserving it. To me it looks like the chopped off end of a thick tree branch. Thanks and cheers. Hi Joseph, Thanks for your comment. The students' phone records also tragically revealed how they desperately tried to call the police. It would be interesting to know exactly where this photo was taken Is it along the main trail north of the Mirador en route to the stream crossing? Excellent editing work, thanks to Justin. Also we are in the realms of Hollywood if we need such a calm and calculating mind at work other than those of the girls to abduct and or kill them and then orchestrate a smokescreen. Hi Chris, i uploaded the photo to show what i see. When neither Froonnor Kremers turned up, the community decided to wait until the next day to contact authorities. Is there much shareable knowledge about the gang in the area? Required fields are marked *, I just gave the brief overall story of what I think happened. Just trying to get as many ideas together as possible, so that some clue may surface one day. Why would that be? I also see something above the brown circle, like a ring of colored balls or ???? Perhaps the killer of Catherine Johanet knows more, Hi, u might want to watch this vid it has theories dat i think might giv more insights to this case, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCaD8kRTwsI. 9.3 million tourists visited Australia in 2019 (year ending June 2019). You mention the research team. I created this graphic and highlighted the unusual items that seemed peculiar to me: In this photo of what looks like a cave or overgrown ravine, there are numerous possible items that suggest this place had been visited by other people. The bag contained her camera as well as two pairs of sunglasses, $83 in cash, Froons passport, a water bottle, two bras, and both womens phones. "For now, however, this finally marks the beginning of our grieving process and provides us with a path to closure.". In 2014 Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, both from the Netherlands were traveling and exploring the Central American country of Panama. Do you or anyone else that you know of have any idea where in Panama this photo was taken? After taking a deep dive into all the evidence and flying out to Panama to do their own investigation, the pair concluded that the girls' deaths were an accident. What I find unusual is that in a panic they did not repeatedly try unless she kept pressing redial and that does not register as a second attempt. I look forward to learning more and you do valuable humane work helping other young adventurers. Take care if you do go over there. Please support us we cant do it without you. I believe the backpack was placed near the river in order to indicate where the remains would be found (like a flag), and perhaps the backpack was provided in hopes to receive the reward money, and the location of the backpack meant that searches would move to a different location (potentially because the police were too close to the suspects at the time). It does not make sense to me. Everyone is already aware that there are many unfortunate possibilities of what could have happened to Kris and Lisanne. By April 6, 2014, theparents of both women grew frantic andflew to Panama with detectives from the Netherlands. I havent spotted the finger with the silver ring in photo IMG_0580 thats the name of the hair photo, and in the night photos you found out that there are not one but two individuals that are of native origin nonetheless, which specific photos led you to that conclusion? Draw a line from that point in all directions as far as they could travel in the time to the emergency call, and there must be part of the answer to the mystery inside that circle. They knew to be on guard and be careful. The consumption of Ayahuasca as a religious experimental drug is becoming very common in different countries. But most people going on a hike with a dog would take some pictures of themselves with the dog, right? Here are some ideas Ive speculated about. Even on my iPhone I could make it big enough to see odd things in the pic. For the most part, foreigners are just caught in the middle. As the search was starting to wind up, a local woman handed in a blue backpack, claiming she found it in a rice paddy along the banks of the river. I think investigation isnt the correct word. There are too many variables involved, so I dont speculate much about the dog. It holds a bad energy. Hundreds! Let me dampen the third party argument by asking IF their end was at the hands of another personwhy not simply bury the rucksack rather than all the elaborate need for photoshopping and phones used in the hands of a third party ? Im sitting here, with tears in my eyes and rolling down my cheeks.The transition from two weeks of lively holiday to stepping into the life of a real Panamanian family is just too much for me I want MOM and dad to hold me tight and tell me that everything will be alright I now feel like a small child of 2 yelling for her mother who is 2 meters away. If you zoom in on the picture, I noticed that her face almost seems distorted, almost as though it was swelled up? I think that this is definitely a murder, because of the rucksack. , I could be wrong but scanning through the comments didnt see some of these things being discussed, & thought Id put my 2 sense in! However, I cannot say for certain because I do not know why the owner would fabricate this part of the story. So they hide a lot of the gang activity and downplay what happens, which exacerbates the problem. Apr 4, 2022 The number of international visitor arrivals in Panama surpassed the one million in 2021, after having plummeted to less than 700 thousand as a result of COVID-19 impact on tourism. The last photo of Kris on the rocks doesnt appear to have any evidentiary value to me. So this sparked my curiosity. There are flaws in the manipulations, such as the photo timeline, the inconsistent resolutions, the missing photo (or video), the red lines on the shirt, incorrect shadow positioning, etc. As for the night pics Im going to also throw this one out there and say the photos were heavily darkened to take away what was really there in view and then the spotty weather areas were added over including the rain drops. What if she was trying to get fire with the mirror and the paper? They provide a live accounting of missing-persons cases. I would start at both ends of the trail meaning working forward from where they started their walk and backwards from where their pathetic remains were found. A priest of sorts. When she finally reached her friend, it was basically too late, or very close to it. There IS anecdotal info that Lisannes BF made contact with her at 1400 or so on the 1st April but maybe that was Dutch time not Panama time? Thanks un advance, Lyn Carmichael. Highly probable. David Lee Thomas Bass - Facts About the Musician. However, with the high resolution photo, you can more clearly see an organized structure over her head. After a second look, I found that the Yahoo article specifically states that it was 17 foreigners belonging to another sect, but Yahoo was somewhat unclear Foreign can have a lot of meanings in this context. How close was this tribe to where they went missing? It would be interesting to see a map of possible mobile blackspots because it seems where ever they were IF STATIONARY then they were on the extreme edge or reception dependent on atmospherics. Someone mentioned a Jaguar? Im not expecting any major reveals from Pitti shell probably just reinforce her previous statements with more insights. I was clearly kept elsewhere and planted later. The blue thing on the ground looks like a blue tarp and that looks like a corner sticking out. I think this picture of Kris is a picture of her circling around looking for where they entered the jungle. This whole incident is the stuff of horror movies and very chilling, even if it was an accident. Hi JW, yes I agree with you about many things. Perhaps incriminating photos existed on the camera before and new photos were taken to overwrite the cameras memory files, therefore preventing the old photos from being extracted from the cameras digital memory. Blue, a dog known throughout the community, reportedly followed them along the trail. For pareidiologists, in the Cave photo on the right just over halfway from Kris head to the edge of the photo there is an arm and hand tied to a tree, and to the right of Kris leg is the sole of a walking boot with a light stripe down the middle. On the bottom right of the photo it looks as though her hair is wrapped around somebodys fingers, or rather someone has their fingers wrapped around her hair. Just behind her tied hand area. Only three days later the three assailants were given their sentences: Hctor Abrego - 15 years in prison and must pay his sentence in jail in Santiago. But in a country of just 300,000 people, how much tourism is too much? The backpack had no scratches, no marks, the camera and mobile phones inside are as good as new. Also right inside the cave looks like a fox or something similar is painted on the rock. What Really Happened To Two Dutch Hikers Who Disappeared In Panama? Hands tied behind her back, face looks a bit puffy too, as if been in an altercation of sorts. They keep trying to call emergency. The area behind Kris is quite shadowed, but this seems to me to be more likely dense foliage than a cave. Kremers and Froon set out into the forest along thePianista Trail around 11 amon April 1, 2014,with only a backpack between them. This was either something catastrophic or a developing situation due for example to them getting lost. In the Americas, more than 6,200 people have been reported dead or missing during migration since 2014. because why else would they have continued access to their phones for the next week? Someone with darkish skin. Who said they didnt? Why? While I was reading over the story again, I decided to review their photos one more time. when are you putting a research team together?? So why did they go on a trip on April 1st? People have long realized that its up to the public to solve this. incredibly complicated for a new story to be written. For the first handful, a correct password was entered. Lisanne believes her dead. Theyd probably just bury the camera in a deep hole or toss it in the river or ocean. The rock in the riverbed is very distinctive was this location ever found and explored? It was taken on the Continental Divide exactly 14 minutes and 12 seconds after their photos at the Mirador. His . And her shirt is pushed up. https://i.postimg.cc/3xK4Pdmb/Kris-Kremers-Full-Photo-Highest-Res-auto-x1-1-photos-v2-faces-x2-colored-toned.jpg. perhaps there is much that was missed by a very bungled police investigation. Sometimes I refer back to the Story of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, the two girls that made international headlines in 2014 when they disappeared in the northwest region of Panama. Looks like 2 blurred out people one talker than other behind her over her left shoulder or her left when looking left of pic. Its a subtle difference, but you can tell the girls smiles are forced in those two photos and are not like the natural happy smiles in the other summit photos. They obviously protect the predator(s). However, when theres monetary interests involved, especially within key industries I give those ulterior motives some weight and consideration. Please read. I posted a link at Koude Kas of example of Monkeys playing with phones because they were entranced by the flash. Perhaps that is where this photo was taken and a search should be done there. I would prefer to stay anonymous and off the website, so you have permission to use my email. With regards to the photos, they are probably real. Thanks Chris!! The white and red object on the left looks slightly like a cows head and what I took to be Kriss tousled hair on the left of her head now looks like the thumb and fore finger of her left hand pointing to the inside of the hut. They had more than enough evidence and leads to solve the case but they ignored so much of the evidence. The night picture she is standing in same spot and someone is doing something to her lower leg or foot ,you can see them under her. Is there a head count of how many people have perished using the hiking trail in, say the last 10 years? Its very interesting that the dog is not clearly visible in any of the pictures. There appears to be a blue pieces of trash on the ground. Fact. What is peculiar is that there were no attempts to contact anyone other than the emergency services. I noticed that youve submitted two more links in another newer comment. Kris had her doubts but was jollied along by the more trusting girl. Personally, I believe that number one mentioned above is the most likely reason. Adventurers and travelers seek different experiences. Yes, the photo data was manipulated. There was one person that said that the dog left with them when they set out on their hike. There is something white on the object, which looks like a white piece of cloth. It IS strange that the attempted SOS calls were so few. Does anyone see what I see? The main/central support bar (branch?) Years later, some people still believe someone killed the pair. There are . I previously read that online, although it was a while ago and I cant remember where I read that. What people are mistaking as blood from her nose and lip is again just a shadow cast from her nostril and lower lip due to the bright sun. No way would I walk down that path. Were their phones not able to text? And more on this most people in Latin America that permit their dog to walk freely do not keep track of where their dog goes. While posing with sticking out your tongue means for a Dutch native you found something disgusting, especially while simultaneously closing your eyes.
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